The Polygraph Place

Thanks for stopping by our bulletin board.
Please take just a moment to register so you can post your own questions
and reply to topics. It is free and takes only a minute to register. Just click on the register link


  Polygraph Place Bulletin Board
  Professional Issues - Private Forum for Examiners ONLY
  New Defense Strategy Encountered

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   New Defense Strategy Encountered
D. Morgan
Member
posted 04-21-2008 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D. Morgan   Click Here to Email D. Morgan     Edit/Delete Message
Testing to post. will edit.

Sorry. It has been a long time since I posted and wanted to make sure the post would go through before I typed it all out.

Last week I was in court for a much anticipated trial involving a full confession I obtained from a man who had repeatedly molested his step-daughter for a number of years approximately 25 years ago. The entire exam, confession, and taking of the statement was on videotape. I had been informed by the Solicitor's Office that the local Defense Bar had been holding meetings with the specific topic being how to challenge me specifically and how to challenge the confessions that have been obtaining. It appears that they came up with a unique strategy and they were able to get a judge to buy into it. Here is what the defense attorney did:

In pre-trail motions in the Judge's chambers the defense stated that they wanted to show the entire video to the jury and that the defense had the right to use all evidence available to defend the case. The video, obviously, was submitted as evidence and what we thought was convincing and compelling evidence. Since the defense wanted to present the video this placed the judge in a unique position. In SC, as in most states, nothing about polygraphs can be mentioned during trial or an immediate mistrial is the likely outcome. The judge, knowing that he cannot allow the video to be played to the jury, yet also knowing that he cannot allow the defense the argument that they were denied use of all evidence available to defend, was placed between the proverbial rock and a hard place. So, the strong spined judge decided to strongly advise the Solicitor's Office to plead the case out since he was "inclined to not allow the videotape as evidence" which would mean that the confession, both oral on tape and written, would not be admitted either. I trust that this strikes you all the same as it did me and that you are now finding it difficult to get your jaw up off the floor! So the case was pleaded down tremendously and the defense attorney has now managed to lay the ground work for a precedent, at least in South Carolina, for a unique approach that could conceivably render the confessions obtained from polygraphs, at least those on video, to be useless.

This is still early and I will be meeting with the Solitor and his staff this week to determine how we are going to proceed from here. It is possible that they may recommend that I stop videotaping my exams. I am a big proponent of videotaping interviews because I believe it forces investigators to become better interviewers and I am very comfortable in having any of my interviews evaluated for ethical and constitutional violations, but at the same time I do not want to lose cases because I am going above and beyond the requirements by videotaping. Your comments would be appreciated and I will advise how we choose to move forward.

Danny Morgan

[This message has been edited by D. Morgan (edited 04-21-2008).]

IP: Logged

Ted Todd
Member
posted 04-21-2008 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Dan,

In California this would not be a problem. The entire polygraph can be admitted into evidence if BOTH sides agree to it. Given your scenario, our prosecutors would gladly agree to let the video come into evidence.

My polygraph confessions have always come in as evidence because we redact any reference to the polygraph. I have had cases reviewed by both the state and US Supreme courts that contained information/confessions obtained as part of a polygraph exam. The confessions have always been admitted.

Ted

IP: Logged

rcgilford
Member
posted 04-21-2008 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rcgilford   Click Here to Email rcgilford     Edit/Delete Message
Gee Danny,

Lets see. I think the legal-technical phraseology is something like…….”You gotta be shittin’ me! That gutless f*** of a judge!”.....There, I feel better.

I’m in North Carolina. We haven’t run into that yet, but if that is what it comes to, I would stop video taping.

I audio tape my exams for reasons similar to what you have mentioned. There is no legal requirement to do so, except murder suspects in custody. I think it might come down to something as simple as, “If the law doesn’t require it, don’t do it.” But then, the defense is going to attack you having stopped video taping when they know that was your previous routine. Unfortunately, we are all going to be stuck with what judges decide on what will and will not be admitted. We routinely play “edited” videos of interviews to a jury. I don’t know if this was a slick move by the defense lawyer, or a cowardly decision by the judge. I suspect it was a little bit of both. I’ll be interested to hear how this all washes out.

IP: Logged

Barry C
Member
posted 04-21-2008 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
That doesn't sound right. Something seems to be missing. Even here in liberal Maine, if a defense attorney asks a stupid question that requires the witness to say something that would otherwise lead to a mistrial, he's out of luck, with a "You asked the question" from the judge.

If this tactic works, then why stop there. Why not introduce statements and other evidence that you've already had suppressed and then argue for a mistrial?

You ought to get this info to Gordon Vaughn, the APA's General Counsel, but I predict he'd day something is missing too.

IP: Logged

D. Morgan
Member
posted 04-22-2008 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D. Morgan   Click Here to Email D. Morgan     Edit/Delete Message
It was basically this: The defense wanted to garner sympathy for his client because he was an old man. Although there was nothing in the tape that was going to help his client gain sympathy in that direction, he had a valid (yeah, right!) point to argue to the judge that he wanted the jury to see the tape. The judge did not even look at the tape before making up his mind that at least one person on the jury would know that it was a polygraph room, even if the tape could be edited. The length of the tape (4 hours) and the amount of editing needed (every "polygraph", "test", "pass", "failed", "chart", or any other related word would have to be edited out) would have required many hours of editing work. Since I was not in chambers with the attorneys, and I can only surmise what the judge was thinking, I can only assume that he made the overt recommendation to plead it out so that he would not have to make a difficult decision. The Assistant Solicitor decided to make an offer for the defense to plead to because if the judge did through out the tape and confession then we would definitely have lost the case at trial because the victim made for a very shaky witness.

This defense attorney is notorious for trying anything and willing to say or do anything in court to win. Knowing that meetings by the defense bar had been held with me and my confessions as the topic of interest, I believe that this was a well planned maneuver on the defense part. This tactic allowed him to put the Solicitor's Office in a defensive position when he had absolutely nothing to work with. He was smart enough not to go for the whole enchilada though. He knew that it served his purpose just to get the Solicitor's Office to cave a little on this one when he was in such a weak position. He did not have to force the judge into ruling in his favor; merely getting him leaning in his favor served his purpose. I believe that it was a well calculated initial move with other moves planned for the future to build on this one.

We will be meeting to decide how to respond to this. At this point, no precedent has been set just yet. We hope to keep this from getting to that point. The Solicitor's Office has told me that they would be interested in knowing more about other State's handling of polygraph, as far as stipulated tests being admitted and how that works, so that they could have some argument points. I am going to suggest that they put one of their overworked and underpaid clerks on the task of researching and compiling info. I will welcome any direct links that would be helpful for them to find information.

I know this is a convoluted situation and it is somewhat confusing. I hope that I have cleared it up some. I will keep this thread advised when I have more to add.

IP: Logged

Barry C
Member
posted 04-22-2008 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
The APA just put out package on disk of laws, case law, studies, etc, that would likely be helpful. They also have an attorney's version that contains copyrighted works, but they charge a fee for that one. Call one of your APA board members and see what the APA can do to help.

IP: Logged

rcgilford
Member
posted 04-22-2008 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rcgilford   Click Here to Email rcgilford     Edit/Delete Message
Lets just assume the judge would not allow the video confession. Could you not then testify about the confession? That’s the way we used to do it before taping interviews was as common as it is today. As far as the defense arguing that they are entitled to present the tape as evidence, as a part of the “all evidence umbrella,” could not the solicitor argue that it contains reference to polygraph, which can not be used in court (if that is indeed the law in SC), and would have to be edited (I know, that would be a lot of work). I’m not a lawyer and I’m not familiar with SC law. The way we handle situations such as that in the old north state is our detective/examiner would testify to the confession w/o mentioning the “p” word and/or an edited tape would be played to the jury.

IP: Logged

D. Morgan
Member
posted 04-22-2008 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D. Morgan   Click Here to Email D. Morgan     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Barry for the info about case laws.

RC, that is how we already do things as far as testimony. We have a Jackson vs. Denoe (sp?) hearing for admissability of the confession first. If the judge rules that the confession is admissable then we proceed and I only testify to what the defendant told me (w/o mentioning polygraph). As far as I can tell, in this particular case, the defense wanted the jury to see the client as an old man who was in pain from a recent leg injury and then try to argue that his client was not mentally able to give a "voluntary" confession. This argument was completely without merit. I had thoroughly vetted the subject prior to testing and, knowing that everything I am doing and saying is being videotaped, was very careful to make sure that the entire interview process was done in such a way that his physical and mental state was not going to be a problem at trial. Still, the defense can argue anything they want to and in this case it was about the only avenue he had to argue.

Although that makes this particular case unique, how many of our examinees (who eventually prove to be lying) come in with some type of complaint about sleep, pain, medical conditions, etc.? I can see this particular line of argument as reason for "wanting" the jury to see the tape as being something that most defense attorneys will figure out a way to bring up.

I am hoping to get this meeting with the Solicitor's Office done today or as soon as possible. I will advise how that goes.

IP: Logged

Toneill
Member
posted 04-24-2008 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Toneill   Click Here to Email Toneill     Edit/Delete Message
Subsequent to becoming a polygraph examiner in 2001 and being in the State of Wisconsin I have been aware seperate of many other states and federal practices, Wisconsin has State v Johnson!(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=wi&vol=wisctapp2%5C3q01%5C00-2800&invol=1)

The case is out of Milwaukee and basically the ruling stated that there must be a clear seperation of the polygraph from the confession (Voluntariness) So long and short is once the exam is done we take a break "I'm off to Score the charts, Polygraph Portion is Over" (one of the requirements,time seperation) and out of the polygraph suite into the interview room where all I say to the DI person is "what do you think" usual response is "I Passed" and I then just go into the classic Reid Interview with "Our investigation shows that you haven't been truthful regarding this issue..."

In reading the initial post I couldn't help but ask Was the confession obtained in the same room as the Poly equipment? and or Did the interview entail, you failed the polygraph and we need to talk about the truth?

Tony

IP: Logged

All times are PT (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | The Polygraph Place

copyright 1999-2003. WordNet Solutions. All Rights Reserved

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Version 5.39c
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 1999.